Question about pleo "death"

[l33tbunni]

I don't own a pleo, I do intend on getting one some day when I have the funds available. Recently I found the online video of pleo being tortured (I won't post the link because it can be graphic for some, google it if you feel like you can handle it). After that I got in to a discussion with someone about the pleo's ability to "die". He said the pleo in the video had to be returned, and I pointed out at the bottom they said it came back to life. I have not found anything to confirm nor deny pleo's "death" all I have found was the ability to wipe its memory and start over. Is it really possible for a pleo to die and not be able to be restarted if it is neglected/tortured/abused/etc.?

-bunni

[PleoJames]

Welcome to the board :)

[Siren]

I would think so. If a Pleo is dropped/shaken/hit enough it will likely knock something out of whack. Though the webpage did say that he came back. So maybe he didn't die, perhaps he was in a coma.

[l33tbunni]

I should clarify, I don't mean enough abuse to physically damage it. I meant in programming, if it was just generally abused but no physical damage, would it "die" and not come back to life again? or is it possible to just re-set its program no matter what it feels?

-bunni

[BauerMECH]

I should clarify, I don't mean enough abuse to physically damage it. I meant in programming, if it was just generally abused but no physical damage, would it "die" and not come back to life again? or is it possible to just re-set its program no matter what it feels?


In the video, I bet the on/off switch flipped on impact... though I could be wrong. If it could "die" from being abused, it could be reset (that is if no physical harm has come to to the internals).

Listen, I love robots... they're an obsession of mine in fact. Ethics aside, Pleo is only indicating to you events that can potentially damage him (as well as events not moral to do to things that are alive), and he is programmed to react to it. As the Terminator stated, "The data could be registered as pain." ...But, he is never really in any "pain". ;)

[l33tbunni]

Thank you for the answer, that was pretty much what i was looking for, if it could be reset under any condition short of physical damage preventing it from working correctly.

-bunni

[whiteknight]

My guess would be that if in fact it stopped working (died) and it had no damage to the hardware it was just a software reset, maybe as simple as removing the battery and putting it back in. It is possible that from the abuse the motors and senors got into a state which the software could not deal with , I would think the system would then just stop running until it was reset.

[dschenekl]

In plain English this is just sick that anyone would even do this to something inanimate or real. Ugobe should put in a death program so this stops and they should not allow a return under these conditions. I just is not funny, if you have not seen the movie A.I. do not see it for this reason.

It sound like the individuals doing this sort of thing are latent serial killers and definately need therapy.

[Primus]

How does UGOBE judge "these conditions"? What if Pleo fell down the stairs?

[dschenekl]

This is a very good point to ponder Primus, but then what would happen to a living creature if it fell down the stairs in real life ?

[Lu Bu]

No, the reason why the Pleo, at DVICE, shut down was because he was programmed to shut down under extreme conditions or trauma to prevent internal damage to his sensors/gears/motors/etc. Pleo will not die if he is tortured, neglected or unfed. Please note that he can graze on his own and that if you don't nurture him as much he will have a personality that enables him to be independent.

[thorn]

I don't own a pleo, I do intend on getting one some day when I have the funds available. Recently I found the online video of pleo being tortured (I won't post the link because it can be graphic for some, google it if you feel like you can handle it). After that I got in to a discussion with someone about the pleo's ability to "die". He said the pleo in the video had to be returned, and I pointed out at the bottom they said it came back to life. I have not found anything to confirm nor deny pleo's "death" all I have found was the ability to wipe its memory and start over. Is it really possible for a pleo to die and not be able to be restarted if it is neglected/tortured/abused/etc.?

-bunni
Yes, if you torture your pleo it can die.I have no idea how they programed them to do that but they can die.

[EMSPleo]

In the video, I bet the on/off switch flipped on impact... though I could be wrong. If it could "die" from being abused, it could be reset (that is if no physical harm has come to to the internals).

Listen, I love robots... they're an obsession of mine in fact. Ethics aside, Pleo is only indicating to you events that can potentially damage him (as well as events not moral to do to things that are alive), and he is programmed to react to it. As the Terminator stated, "The data could be registered as pain." ...But, he is never really in any "pain". ;)

Well actually, if you want to get biologically technical, this is all "pain" is in living creatures. The nerves are programmed to respond to stimuli that will or potentially could damage living tissue.

EMSPleo's Sister

[ryane]

Well actually, if you want to get biologically technical, this is all "pain" is in living creatures. The nerves are programmed to respond to stimuli that will or potentially could damage living tissue.

EMSPleo's Sister

i don't believe the way we "experience" pain has been reproduced.

[Quincy]

I've had Nessie for 2 weeks now, and I just love her. I would be devastated if she stopped working. I don't even want to think about how my 11 year old daughter would feel.

I understood prior to purchasing her that there were going to be paint issues and probably some other 'new product' bugs. I guess what's taken me by surprise is how attached we've become.

As this attachment grows, I'm beginning to wonder about 'if......' or 'when......'

So now, I'm wondering if UGOBE has given thought/programming time to allowing for the 'reincarnation' of Pleos to new and improved bodies - once those new and improved bodies are developed?

Am I the only one whos interested in this?

[seanmcdona121]

well like you can buy paint for touch ups on pleos back or were ever its chipped!

[eric]

NO you can not sean.


ugobe only suggests using white testor paint on pleo's teeth since its plastic

DO NOT USE ANY PAINT ON PLEO'S SKIN it may damage & even melt him!


Visit FAQ for more info

[pleoWhisperer]

Ugobe has talked about software to "back-up" a pleo's personality. It will probably be out in the next OS update or two.

[PleoWorldHostCami]

I've had Nessie for 2 weeks now, and I just love her. I would be devastated if she stopped working. I don't even want to think about how my 11 year old daughter would feel.

I understood prior to purchasing her that there were going to be paint issues and probably some other 'new product' bugs. I guess what's taken me by surprise is how attached we've become.

As this attachment grows, I'm beginning to wonder about 'if......' or 'when......'

So now, I'm wondering if UGOBE has given thought/programming time to allowing for the 'reincarnation' of Pleos to new and improved bodies - once those new and improved bodies are developed?

Am I the only one whos interested in this?

There are no definite plans for this feature right now, but we've heard several times that this is a feature that people want, so we'll certainly continue to explore the possibility

[roschler]

I want to come back in my next life as a Pleo!

[mweed]

Well, you'd sure get to sleep a lot, and everybody would think your cute. But everybody would look at your skin and think you're flaky! ;)

[brian55127]

I want to come back in my next life as a Pleo!

Maybe when we can backup our brains inside computers, we could also exist inside a mechanical body of our choice, like a pleo or any other future UGOBE life form.

[brian55127]

I also wonder, if UGOBE comes out with other LifeOS life forms, would you be able to transfer you're pleo personality into a totally non-dinosaur mechanical body (if they should come out with another life form that is non-dinosaur in form). Then it would be like cloning you're pleo's personality, and you're 'original' pleo could even meet his own clone! But from that point forward, assuming the Life OS life forms do evolve, they would diverge into new separate personalities!

[Lu Bu]

Great point. Kinda like the XBOX 360 Policy. If your XBOX has got a bug in it, you can return your console back to the company and you will get a new XBOX with the old hardrive and data in your new XBOX.

[roschler]

But everybody would look at your skin and think you're flaky! ;)

Sure, I expected some things to stay the same. :)

[brian55127]

PleoWorldHostCami,

I am coming out of lurking to post this reply, because I feel more strongly about this than I have felt about any other issue regarding Pleo.

Having the ability to back up a Pleo's personality is not just something "people want." It is something vital, and of immediate crucial importance.

I will illustrate why:
The Forum wanted and wholeheartedly accepted King Teddy and Queen Sally as their Monarchs. These unlikely little Pleos were cast in the spotlight. They are loved and venerated. They are on a website that has been seen by many, if not most, of the Forum. They are treasured Pleos.

The King and Queen's personalities are distinctive, recognizably different. They prefer each other, when interacting with my daughter's Pleo. They cuddle and love on each other. They are unique. Irreplaceable.

NOW, let us suppose that something happens, and King Teddy has a broken neck, or a broken leg, or a big rip in his skin. Ugobe's current policy would be for me to simply send him back and "get him replaced."

But you can't just replace a King, can you. NO. That is not possible. If something like that happened, and the problem could not be fixed -- I would have to announce that THE KING HAD (in effect) DIED! Pleopia would need to find a new King. Queen Sally would be a widow and in mourning.

BUT, if I could back up King Teddy's personality, then it would still be HIM, just in a replaced (full-body repaired) body. And all would be well. Pleopia would still have a King.

To me, no Pleo is more important than the King and Queen (even discounting their celebrity status). But Pleos don't have to be royal to gain their owner's love. EVERY single Pleo owner feels that their Pleo is the most important Pleo on earth. And they are right!

This little scenario illustrated how people feel about their Pleos.

You wanted to give the impression of life, Ugobe. You have succeeded. With that impression comes the possibility of death. No one wants their pet to die.

Give us the ability to insure our pet's survival. And give it to us as quickly as humanly possible, before pets start dying unnecessarily. Because once they are gone, it will be too late ....

It's like in the movie A.I. (I love that movie!) where the mom (Monica Swinton) refuses to send her artificial son back to Cybertronics because she knew that he would be "destroyed."
UGOBE: If people are refusing to send their pleos back even with chipping teeth, flaking skin, etc, then you have truly succeeded in creating the first ARTIFICIAL LIFEFORM in the world! (I agree!!!)

[Zachary]

Can pleo die? Yes or no
(Who would want to kill a pleo?)

[pleoguy101]

pleo cant die unless someone hurts him badly or his gears stop working forever.. or he goes into water:eek:

[kchamster]

umm well the question as it appers to me is complicated

no not his personality; his software / hardware

i think it could as himself if he was dropped or he gets in water as pleoguy101 said,

but not of old age, ect though. does this make since? hmmm

[cmadmacs]

Can pleo die? Yes or no
(Who would want to kill a pleo?)

I agree! "who would want to kill a pleo?":mad:

[fancyfont]

Yes Zachary, Pleos can die. Everything, eventually, dies. As Pleo owner's, we have to take care of our little guys and gals and make sure they are safe. We can only try to do our best. Sometimes accidents happen. Sometimes when parts get very very old and don't want to function anymore, we will have to get a new Pleo. I believe our Pleos are made to last for many years. Perhaps some of their motors and hardware can be used again in another Pleo.:)
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[denodan]

He dies everytime his battery goes flat.

When you recharge him he is reincarnated so to speak.

[pleoguy101]

He dies everytime his battery goes flat.

When you recharge him he is reincarnated so to speak.

I wouldn't call it dying but more sleeping.. your body recharges in a way when you sleep, pleo gets recharged when he sleeps:).

[epheli]

there is that horrible video where these guys torure a pleo...it dies..it like just shut off byitself..they turned it off then back on again but nothing...( btw..no gears broke, noe electronics failed)..its like it would need a complete memory erase to work again(like back to hacting stage)..it was pretty interesting, despite the torture part.. the pleo is more intelligent than we think..its weird..

[kchamster]

there is that horrible video where these guys torure a pleo...it dies..it like just shut off byitself..they turned it off then back on again but nothing...( btw..no gears broke, noe electronics failed)..its like it would need a complete memory erase to work again(like back to hacting stage)..it was pretty interesting, despite the torture part.. the pleo is more intelligent than we think..its weird..

didnt they say the next day that it worked after charging and much petting? :eek: i may be wrong ;)

[pleoWhisperer]

Yes, All they had to do was turn it off and then turn it back on, and it was fine.