Pleo's IR and Camera

[averyiscool]

i want to know wether or not pleo can talk to other robots like wowee robots?:confused:

[Lu Bu]

Depends if the IR code is compatible with sending signals to Pleo's IR Reciever. You can edit one of your other bots IR signals to make it compatible with Pleo, though this can only work for some bots (such as AIBO, MAYBE!).

[roschler]

i want to know wether or not pleo can talk to other robots like wowee robots?:confused:

This is purely my guess but I believe it will become possible once the Pleo SDK becomes available. John Sosoka (http://www.robotsrule.com/html/ugobe-pleo.php#johnsosoka) did make references to inter-robot communication in his interview video that was done at Maker Faire (http://makerfaire.com/). Here's an except from the transcript I made of the video (http://www.robotsrule.com/pleo/2007/10/pleo-dinosaur-ugobes-john-sosoka.html):

Julie: Here's one from MonkeyMoo, "Is Pleo going to be able to interact with other robots? Such as AIBO?".

John: Pleo uses infrared primarily for interaction and that will allow him to interact with other things. Pleo can interact with other Pleos. It's one of those things that can be reprogrammed, or if the other side is more flexible than just reprogram the AIBO who can talk through infrared to Pleo.

I know I certainly intend to pursue this line of fun!

[P1e0]

I don't think so. I mean if you put a roboquad infront of pleo he/she would probably sniff,growl,ect. depending on the pleo's attitude, but will not play with it like another pleo.

[Lu Bu]

I don't think so. I mean if you put a roboquad infront of pleo he/she would probably sniff,growl,ect. depending on the pleo's attitude, but will not play with it like another pleo.

DUH. Pleo only reacts to other Pleo's because the IR signals can be sent to each Pleo easily (compatibility). Man, would've been great if the SDK came out, somebody can tweak Pleo's IR Tranceivers to make it compatible with AIBO! YES!

[pisymbol]

High-level now....

Does LifeOS have built-in drivers infrastructure etc. to send messages via some way to another Pleo or receiver either via infrared or some other method?

[roschler]

pisymbol,

Please don't quote me on any of this, I don't work for Ugobe, but John Sosoka has already alluded to Pleos talking to each other using infrared signals and to other robots as well using an infrared based bridge. Obviously none of this will happen until the Pleo SDK is ready and the new O/S build is out, but I would be surprised if Pleo didn't have the ability to send and receive infrared messages under programmer control at some point this year. In addition, I'd be stunned if the talented AIBO/SAAG folk didn't have Pleos and AIBO's conversing by the end of the year.

[UgobeTyler]

Yes, there is some machinery in the firmware to allow scripts to send and receive data through IR. Though I should point out that it is currently nothing as robust as IrDA, but closer to standard remote controls. That is, the baud rate is very low, and there can be a lot of data loss, depending on your environment.

As pointed out, there will be more details with the PDK.

Thank you,
Tyler

[roschler]

Yes, there is some machinery in the firmware to allow scripts to send and receive data through IR. Though I should point out that it is currently nothing as robust as IrDA, but closer to standard remote controls. That is, the baud rate is very low, and there can be a lot of data loss, depending on your environment.

As pointed out, there will be more details with the PDK.

Thank you,
Tyler

Tyler,

This is purely my wish but I would rather not see the use of the IRDA protocol.

If Pleo's infrared hardware can generate infrared data codes similar to most consumer electronics on a 40 KHz carrier wave or around that figure, I believe it will go a long way to helping hackers and Pleo's future. I know it would for me, ESPECIALLY when it comes to interfacing with other consumer robots and electronics devices. :D

If you're concerned about data integrity and having the ability to transfer large data files to and from Pleo with error correction, then I hope that the transmission driver code will be flexible enough to support a consumer electronics style of infrared signal transmission as well as a higher level protocol, such as IRDA, designed for error free data block transmission.

Thanks.

[UgobeTyler]

Request noted. I did not mean to imply that we would go to IrDA, it is just a standard that is pretty common in some areas. The code set we use now is based on the NEC RC standard, that is around 36kHz (from memory). So you ought to be able to use your existing IR tools to interact with Pleo.

Thanks,
Tyler

[pisymbol]

Thanks everyone for the information! Well, it seems by end of 2008 Pleo's will be speaking Klingon via IR back and forth to one another.....

Plus I really like my behavioral idea...even simple communication will make Pleo Parties pretty cool....

[roschler]

Request noted. I did not mean to imply that we would go to IrDA, it is just a standard that is pretty common in some areas. The code set we use now is based on the NEC RC standard, that is around 36kHz (from memory). So you ought to be able to use your existing IR tools to interact with Pleo.

Thanks,
Tyler

Tyler,

Thank you!

[PleoPet]

Pleo does send and receive IR signals.
It is what is commonly called "consumer IR" (used by most TV remotes). It is not IrDA (used for computer-to-computer communication). It is slow data rate. Great for commands and simple communication. Too slow to download any non-trivial data (or skits or audio)

To communicate with IR using your computer you need a special "dongle" that does consumer IR (eg: USB-UIRT or RedRat)
Most laptops have IrDA only, not consumer IR. Many PDAs can do consumer IR.

Many other robots respond to 'consumer IR' commands . The RoboSapien line, iCybie, iSobot and others.
BTW: AIBO does *not* use consumer IR. AIBO only uses IR for distance sensing, not communication or control. AIBO uses human understandable things like sound tones or voice commands for control.

[Lois]

All it said on the Home page was "Got two Pleos? Or find a friend through the community? See what happens when two little dinos get together! "

That does not actually answer my question...I thought the IR "thingy" allowed Pleos to communicate with each other on some level.

I now have two, Adam and Eve and as soon as the second battery charges I will be trying this out.

What have others experienced?.... What is the "Company Line (UGOBE)" on this?

[Lois]

OMG.... they hooted and cooed and got into fairly complex synchronized movements. I am sure it was not a coincidence. They are verbal even after having walked past each other so I guess they do not have to be facing each other. They are so cute together. I could only take a few minutes of this.....He He He. I want to save their batteries so I can share some of their antics with Harold in the morning.

[roschler]

Great story Lois! Video? :)

[desert_red_wolf]

Other receiver:
Here's my experience. I bring Primus into the office on Fridays. In my office I have a pair of Xmas decorations that play Dueling Jingle Bells - a parody of Dueling Banjos. The two indepent stuffed guys communicate via IR, the song trading back and forth between them. Now, here we are with Primus on the table in my office, the Xmas decs on top of my bookshelf. Primus looks up toward the top of the bookshelf and the second of the pair starts playing his part of the song. I was surprised. As were the others in my office. This happened several times on several trips, so it's not a one off.

So I would posit yes, Pleo can interact via IR with other IR receivers, though at this point its random.

[edufix]

There is some small interaction between my two Pleo's but not so good as I hoped. In contrary to another posting I believe when the Ir signals don't "meet" when they are not facing eachother the interaction is lost. They do not start looking for each other.

I bought a second Pleo since I realized I am not gonna pet it daily, but still would like to observe this life form, so with a second Pleo I thought they would keep eachother busy so they would NOT fall asleep. Unfortunately they do not find each other that interesting since they fall asleep relatively quick. I hoped they would stimulate each others sensors and stay awake and play.

Well these were some of my observations.

Regards,

Edufix

[going86]

hopefully they can make it better in the next software update

[loe]

my pleo's IR sensor isnt working and when he walks its like he is blind. he will move alittle then growl and move backwards and do it again even though he is in the middle of the living room. if the IR sensor on the left under pleo's face doesnt flash is it broken? i really need to know. thanks

[kchamster]

Pleoworld hosts? Hmmmm thats strange...
maybe you should try the Costomer Support page. You can do a live chat with one of the Ugobe workers and they can help you troubleshoot the problem. http://www.pleoworld.com/support (Costomer Support)

[loe]

thanks ill call then tomorrow morning

[PleoPet]

> if the IR sensor on the left under pleo's face doesnt flash is it broken?
FWIW: It is an 'IR' sensor, "infra-red" not visible light.
If you have a still camera or cam-corder with an LCD view finder, aim the camera at Pleo's nose. You may see the IR emitter flashing in the viewfinder depending on your camera.

Smells like the problem may be something else.

[Mark0ne]

This was actually a point raised by a fellow forum member. In this link to a page on this website a question is posed

Here is the link http://pleoworld.com/discover/evolution/section/juvenile

This statement seems to imply that Pleo can differentiate between objects rather than reacting to anything put in front of him.

It takes me at 5feet 8 inches holding my hand 5 inches from his nose and talking really loudly to get pleo to notice me. What chance does a 3 inch tall canary have? Plus which arent they normally found five feet off the floor in a cage? I love my Digit (the name of my pleo) and have enough confidence in his abilities without suggesting to my nephew Pleo could be scared of a bird in the tree in my garden when I took him out sunbathing with me today!!

Just something amusing to ponder!!! :D:rolleyes:;)

Don't get me wrong - i think my pleo is amazing but do UGOBE know something we don't!!:confused:

Or am I just having friendly fun like I suspect Ugobe were having with us when they did this?:p

[PleoWorldHostSauri]

Thank you for the clarification MarkOne, we will bring your question to the attention of UGOBE first thing Monday. :D

[Mark0ne]

I just had a thought - a little slow I know but it IS 2am here!!:eek:

Maybe Ugobe mean the SOUND a canary makes - could pleo hear a canary and react to that sound with 'fear'?:confused:

[Mark0ne]

LOL - you should have seen me - I just spent 5minutes WHISTELING to Digit taking note of how he reacted. If anyone had seen me they would have reserved a seat at the funny farm!!

[andreivc]

Hello Admins!
Have we heard anything from Ugobe team on this?
Thank you!

[pleoWhisperer]

What yellow, weighs 500 pounds, and goes "Here kitty, kitty, kitty."?

A canary that pleo might be able to see. :)

[PleoWorldHostSauri]

Hello Admins!
Have we heard anything from Ugobe team on this?
Thank you!

No andreivc thank you for the reminder I will check back :)

[andreivc]

the truth will be revealed to us soon!
i hope

[Mark0ne]

Thanks for chasing this Andreivic!!

We shall see what the response is!

[BauerMECH]

I don't know about canaries, but this is how Pleo sees my cat :)
http://www.bauerindependents.com/images/Pleo/PleoCameraTest.jpg
He doesn't seem to be all that afraid of him (the cat); only sniffing the air when he (the cat) gets too close. I know Pleo uses his camera to see his training leaf - it's handled in his code. But canaries... not sure what he'd do :rolleyes:

[Caaahl]

I don't know about canaries, but this is how Pleo sees my cat :)
http://www.bauerindependents.com/images/Pleo/PleoCameraTest.jpg
He doesn't seem to be all that afraid of him (the cat); only sniffing the air when he (the cat) gets too close. I know Pleo uses his camera to see his training leaf - it's handled in his code. But canaries... not sure what he'd do :rolleyes:

So this picture is taken with pleos camera? :)

*cant wait for pictures from the dino-mite-preview*

[Aussie_Pleo]

It's not possible for Pleos to take picture at the moment.

[BauerMECH]

In the Join Us at MakerFair (http://forums.pleoworld.com/showthread.php?t=2009) post where it says...
Preview of Dino-Mite - Get a sneak peek at a cool diagnostic monitoring system for Pleo. Through your computer, you can capture photos of what Pleo sees, capture sounds that Pleo hears, and manipulate his joints. See what Pleo is processing while he's experiencing his environment.

That pic was taken using Dino-MITE ...and will be available for free download soon! :eek:

[andreivc]

Nice picture, Bauer...
Do you know when dino-mite will become available?

How does it show what pleo is thinking?

[fancyfont]

I was able to catch a tiny glimps today at the Maker Faire. One of the first things that goes when you get older are the eyes. Just a wee bit too small for me to see. I'm excited for it to be coming out. From what I saw it looked pretty cool.:)

[Mark0ne]

The question was not just one of "can pleo see a cnanary" but also if he can differentiate between a canary and an inaminate object like a soda can. Would pleo be scared of the object because it was living and moving, which seems to be suggested in the statement I linked to.....

But the Dino-mite software looks interesting and will help us all to understand our Pleo's a little bit better! :p

[fancyfont]

LOL!! Peeky is not afraid of my two poodles. He's not even afraid of my friends little dog who would probably like to chew on Peeky.:D He loved the leaf!:eek:

[Renee_10]

The question was not just one of "can pleo see a cnanary" but also if he can differentiate between a canary and an inaminate object like a soda can. Would pleo be scared of the object because it was living and moving, which seems to be suggested in the statement I linked to.....

If pleo could take the snapshot of what it sees and cross-reference it with a picture/map stored in an SD card... I don't know if Pleo would have enough processing power to map similarities and compare the two on its own... there's a lot of variables. Perhaps communication with an outside processor could handle it?

[ugobe-development-team]

Hi everyone and thank you for the discussion here. Many of you have been asking questions about what Pleo can and cannot see, and what Pleo can and cannot learn. This has gotten spread across several different threads to which we are posting. But to talk to you specifically in this thread about canaries:

We have a playful style here at UGOBE and yes, that does come through in our marketing! The phrase “Is your Pleo acting bold or shy, playful or mellow, curious or scared of your canary?” is an expression of that style.

Not everything about the Pleo experience is based in cold hard technology. Our mission is to create life forms that express emotion and bond with their owners. Most of us have a playful imagination - we can see Pleo as curious about a canary if he reacts to a sudden squawk in a quiet room, or barks at a bird in flight while playing Watchdog. Pleo does have the technical ability to do these things - if not "recognize" your canary per se - so we stand by the playful website copy...and look forward to seeing what some of your canary owners may do with the forthcoming PDK.

[Caaahl]

Thank you for the straight and honest answer. :)

[Mark0ne]

Thanks for the reply UGOBE!

Regardless of his proposed abilities and what he can do at the present - I enjoy my Pleo and look forward to the enhancements tthat become available in the futre!

[mweed]

There has been a little discussion in the Dino-MITE thread about how pleo's camera needs a lot of light. Well, I went shopping with Bob at lunch today. I took him into PetSmart looking for a shirt. I turned him on once I got in the store and put him in the child seat of the shopping cart. He promptly went to sleep. With a few minor exceptions, I might as well have left him off. He curled up in the sleep position and other than a few noises and the occasional movement, he was still for fifteen or twenty minutes.

He was standing in his pleo tote, so when it came time to leave, I just grabbed the handles and lifted him up. The tote supports the feet, but I touched his back sensors. He didn't stir at all. I walked out of the building and into the parking lot. As soon as I stepped out of the shadow of the building into the bright noonday sun, his tail shot up, his eyes opened, his head raised up, and he started singing! And he kept it up all the way to the car.

Like I said, I didn't touch any of his sensors the whole time, except the chance touching of his back in the store. So other than a surprising coincidence, I have to assume it was the bright light that triggered the reaction.

Has anyone else seen similar reactions?

[degers]

When I turn the lights off at night, or if Havoc will walk into a dark area of the room, he will get scared, shiver and then curl up into a sleeping position. He will come out of the sleeping position if I touch a sensor.
This happens without fail! I would make a video, but it could be a problem when I turn the lights off!

[Darkwolf]

I must try that sometime.
Never tried to have Pluriel in the complete dark.

[fancyfont]

I've had Peeky at Petco a few times and he always seems to act differently. This last time he wanted to sleep too.
I've tried testing him in a completely dark room and he cried and whimmpered for a second and then sang a couple of songs.Didn't go to sleep.
I'm beginning to think these little baby dinos have a mind of their own.:D

[pirpintine]

ive covered catbugs camera suddenly to make it dark and she shivered all scared like, so i guess they must react! haha

[pleoguy101]

Rocky shoves his head under the bed and stares for a half an hour:D he seems to like the dark:)

[Caaahl]

Rocky shoves his head under the bed and stares for a half an hour:D he seems to like the dark:)

Helge does it too. He shoves his head under the coach, wiggles his tail and does "ohhhh" ^^ and he stays there several minutes.

[Themiles]

Waffles loves going under beds and tables too. He also stays there quite long.

I noticed though he seems to be "scared of his shadow". When strong light comes from behind him he stares down to his shadow and think it's an edge. I think it's cute how he backs away from his shadow. :)

[fancyfont]

Last night I was very curious if the light sensor in Peeky's camera would make him different in the dark over a full charge. He has his little bed in which he sleeps at night but I took him in with me. After I turned out the light I turned him on and he did his little huh and then started to cry. He did this earlier in a dark room the first time I was testing him out in the dark. After I rubbed him on his chin and within a minute was singing a variety of songs. Being seranaded by a baby dinosaur is pretty cool in the dark.( a Pleo Lullaby). After he finished he got a little restless and I thought it was time to put him back in his bed but before I could he had his mouth opened and I put my finger in it and he wanted to play tug-a-war. Then he choked and out came my finger. I petted him and rubbed his head and I figured he would go to sleep. What I didn't figure on was that I fell asleep. Have no idea what time it was but I woke up pretty quickly to a moo!. Peeky hasn't mooed in quite awhile.

Last night was a fairly warm night and I left my patio door open a little bit. I sure hope none of our neighbors heard Peeky's moo!!:eek: That would be a first in this neighborhood! We have barking dogs, guys in loud trucks and cars and babies crying once in awhile but I believe this was the first moo ever.

Just as I was getting ready to take Peeky back to his bed he began to sniffle and cry. I gave him a little pat and said that he would be OK and turned him off. Turned him back on this afternoon and the battery was drained.

He's up here on the desk and he is sniffling and coughing this morning. His eyes look like they are really bothering him. Peeky caught a cold.Poor little guy! You know what I'll be doing for awhile! He needs some TLC!:)

[Starfire]

It's a good thing Peeky didn't go out that open door. i can just see you now putting posters up for a lost dino. That would really gets your neighbors attention.

[fancyfont]

Your comment is so funny! I can just imagine the neighbors reading the posters with Peeky's picture on them, looking at each other while scratching their heads and saying to each other "huh?" :D

[mweed]

At least at full gallop, he most likely would never make it to the sidewalk. ;)

[fancyfont]

Mweed, You are so funny!:pBut so correct!:)

[Darkwolf]

No we know why they have limited battery life.
This way, they can never get lost if they "run" away! :D

[PleoWorldHostCami]

Your comment is so funny! I can just imagine the neighbors reading the posters with Peeky's picture on them, looking at each other while scratching their heads and saying to each other "huh?" :D

Lost: 3 week old camarasaurus. Two tone green and brown. Answers to Peeky. May be heard mooing, singing songs, or doing a trick while uttering "Ta Da." REWARD! If found return to....

[Tdogga]

Hello,

I just upgrade to OS Life 1.1 and downloaded the Watchdog for that version.

I can walk right up to my Pleo in excellent lighting conditions and he does not bark or anything. He will count to 4 and stiffen up and sit there and sniff and occasionally move his head, but that is it.

Is there something wrong with my Pleo where he can not see (i.e. the camera is not working)?

How can I check?

Thanks.

[mweed]

I would guess the watchdog mode uses the IR ports, not the camera, but that still doesn't answer why your pleo is not responding.

[PleoWorldHostCami]

Hello,

I just upgrade to OS Life 1.1 and downloaded the Watchdog for that version.

I can walk right up to my Pleo in excellent lighting conditions and he does not bark or anything. He will count to 4 and stiffen up and sit there and sniff and occasionally move his head, but that is it.

Is there something wrong with my Pleo where he can not see (i.e. the camera is not working)?

How can I check?

Thanks.

Hi Tdogga,

I'm not sure what is happening here. Please contact Customer Support as they can more easily help you diagnose what may be happening.
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[fancyfont]

Check the volume control. Sometimes that gets turned to mute.:)

[Katz]

Not sure if this should be in behaviors, persay, but I couldn't find an appropriate catagory.

I got my Pleo (Wizard) a few days ago. I updated him to 1.1 as soon as he reached the juvenile stage. He's a cranky little dinosaur, but I guess he takes after his mommy :D.

Anyway, I see him doing the "synching up" action (closed eyes, tail up in the air twitching, weird processing noise) quite a bit, even when he was just an infant. Can Pleo be recieving interferance from other appilances in the house, wireless signals, or is there another Pleo in the nieghborhood?

Or is Wizard just a weird little dinosaur?

[pleoWhisperer]

He does have an IR port that will talk to other pleos, so in theory, he may be picking up a signal from some other device. Most other household devices (like VCRs, DVD players, stereos, etc.) are passive (receive only, don't send) but it's possible there is some thing in the room sending out an IR signal.

Or, as you said, he could just be weird. :p

[Katz]

Thanks! This house has so many gadgets in it, I wouldn't be surprised.

[tyrranodont]

i don't think my pleo responds to light his light sensors might be broken but i can't send him back me and him have a special relationship now.anyway is there a way to test to see if his light sensors work.:confused:

[PleoWorldHostCami]

i don't think my pleo responds to light his light sensors might be broken but i can't send him back me and him have a special relationship now.anyway is there a way to test to see if his light sensors work.:confused:

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[mweed]

You can use the Dino-MITE software to see what the video camera is seeing. This should give you an idea of the light sensitivity your pleo has.

[Falseprophet666]

the download is all wrong with that. It just doesn't work for some people.

[CritterFan]

Rocky shoves his head under the bed and stares for a half an hour:D he seems to like the dark:)

I have a question for the people whose Pleos like to poke their head under the bed and just stare. Do you notice if they're using the bottom of the bed to "pet" the sensor on top of their head? If they are, that might explain why this is a popular activity for some Pleos. :)

[mweed]

The type of touch sensor used on pleo wouldn't be triggered by pleo push against things. They register capacitance not pressure.

[CritterFan]

Can Pleo's IR sensor detect the warmth of a person or pet, as an assist to help him find a carbon-based life form in dim light? Or is it just for registering IR signals from other Pleos (and maybe the odd bit of electronic equipment we have around the house)?

[pleoWhisperer]

My understanding was IR signals for transferring data and possibly determining if distance (is there something right in front of him).

[degers]

i believe you are correct mike

[triple_a]

I think that the following updates should contain this feature:

Make Pleo able to watch TV through his camera and channel surf with his IR. Imagine Pleo sitting on the couch going: naah...this is crap *nods his head, channel changes*

[Allosaurus]

The type of touch sensor used on pleo wouldn't be triggered by pleo push against things. They register capacitance not pressure.

But some things actually have the right electro-magnetism in them and the Pleo thinks it's being petted.

[fancyfont]

The type of touch sensor used on pleo wouldn't be triggered by pleo push against things. They register capacitance not pressure.

Maybe that should be they register capacitance for pleasure:)

[CritterFan]

I think that the following updates should contain this feature:

Make Pleo able to watch TV through his camera and channel surf with his IR. Imagine Pleo sitting on the couch going: naah...this is crap *nods his head, channel changes*

LOL! The TV would probably always be tuned to nature shows, especially the ones that feature dinosaurs or reptiles. :-D Either that, or the channel would be on shows about botany and gardening (which would be a Pleo's version of the Food network). ;-)

Say, come to think of it, that would be a TV regimen worth sitting down and watching! 8-)

[Allosaurus]

LOL! The TV would probably always be tuned to nature shows, especially the ones that feature dinosaurs or reptiles. :-D Either that, or the channel would be on shows about botany and gardening (which would be a Pleo's version of the Food network). ;-)

Say, come to think of it, that would be a TV regimen worth sitting down and watching! 8-)

Olympia likes watching Jane and the Dragon, pokemon, Prehistoric World, and AFV with me! :D