Dino Bones Pleodustrial Average - Discussion

[andreivc]

Hello Pleoowners!
Pleowhisperer just had this brilliant idea to start a pleo index to measure how good (or bad) pleo is doing in terms of its popularity. We all realize a lot is at stake here! The future of robotics and the future of the human civilization as we know it! all depends on this green little guy who we all know and love! Who knows? One day Pleo version 1001 may stop a world war, save millions from hunger, paint a masterpiece of art, or pilot the colony spaceship with all of us on board from our dying sun to a new beginning on some remote star called Caseoplea... :o

Obviously, we need to keep our fingers on the pulse, just to make sure that Pleo is doing alright. Here's a proposed Dino Bones Pleodustrial Average Index to measure Pleo's performance based on consumer interest - an important prerequisite for successful sales, higher profits, better reinvestment prospects to Ugobe, and finally, to more and better Pleos...

The goal was to keep the Dino Bones Index simple! (we can come up with a humnogous formula, but that would be boring. after all, there's this one percent of non-nerds among us who may loose interest in something too nerdy and geeky, and we want to be sensitive to them).:D

Check out the Index! It's going UP! :p

We will need some Pleoanalysts to explain the trend - is it the holidays? is consumer spending going up? A recent TV show perhaps sparked an interest? Ugobe's recent aggressive ads? Has Pleo pledged support to one of the presidential nominee hopefulls recently? Give us your theories! Tell us when is the best time to invest in Pleo!

[pleoWhisperer]

Without getting too complicated, we need to be sure someone checks and records the information at roughtly the same time each day. Once we have a week or so of data, we can start playing with the analysis! :p

Would be great if the webmaster for the site could set up a job to gather that info for us, or give us access to some history (in case we miss a day or two here or there . . . ) :eek:

[pleoWhisperer]

Looking at the two days you have listed, points out exactly what I mean. We added 51 new members, but gained only three new active members. Why? Well, some new members have not posted yet, but that also implies that there were existing active members who have not posted in a while and have become inactive.

Active members + new members who post - old members who haven't posted in a while = new count of active members

[andreivc]

I think the major increase in members = people registering their new pleos; they don't necessary become "active" forum members; but register out of warranty concerns, and to update their pleos

new members who post who register AND post - is hard to get, because they are already counted in active members

[andreivc]

it would be nice to have some kind of application installed on a free website somewhere to collect numbers from this page once a day, and calculate the index showing the updated graph...

any guru heads out there who can pull it off? (for free?:))

[fancyfont]

I love this idea of DBPA! :)Guru head, NOT!!!

[pleoWhisperer]

I have the site, and I can do the calculations. What I don't know is how to pull the numbers. vBulliten (the software that Ugobe uses to run the forums) has all that information in it, but it would take one of the site admins to make the information available.

[andreivc]

hey, this is suppose to be fun, not work ;)
we probably don't need to make calculations every single day
here's the formula originally used:
total membership * 0.3 + active membership * 0.6 + (# of posts today - # of posts yesterday)* .1 = Dino Bones Pleodustrial Index

why those weights?
active membership = current level of interest (most important) = best current and future sales predictor
total membership = overall pleos sold (less important) = revenues collected = current financial position kinda
new posts = short term interest indicator (least important) = because probably correlated with days of week, etc.

I checked out google e-docs, but it's too much hassle

[pleoWhisperer]

I set up a quick cron job on my site. If it works, pulling the data will be fun, not work, 'cause the computer will do all the work so we can have fun!

[andreivc]

excellente... (with an evil accent, rubbing hands together...)

[andreivc]

hey, pleowhisperer! I just realized something!

There is also a display of unregistered guests at the bottom of the page! That would be an EXCELLENT indicator of future sales - because most people register when they buy pleo, so the Unregistered folk are probably those who are interested and perhaps are considering buying one!

The only problem with this one is when to record it, because it is very fluid and changes a lot throughout the day... which makes it impossible to track accurately unless you record it in EXACTLY the same time of the day....

[andreivc]

Friends!

Dino Bones Pleodustrial Average has gone up today 10.5 points. The increase is somewhat smaller than the ones that we have observed yesterday, primarily due to decrease in both active members and in posts, as compared to a day ago. But don't be alarmed, the current decrease can be attributed to small-scale fluctuations in daily postings.

Overall the index has gone up. We have seen an increase in overall membership, which means that new pleos are probably being purchased and registered, and the interest in Pleo is strong.

We do expect growth rate of the Index to slow down in the next couple of weeks, due to absence of news from Ugobe about the date of the next OS update.

Please! Share your thoughts and projections with us for next weeks, months, or even years!

[pleoWhisperer]

O.K., I've got a cron job running once an hour grabbing all the info from the main page of the forums. I'll give it a few days to gather info while I work on how best to present it.

I am grabbing the info on how many people are currently viewng the forums (members and guests), as wll as threads, posts, total members, and active members, so we may want to look at how all this should feed into things.

We also should look into what we "invest" in and how . . . .

[andreivc]

PleoWhisperer, super! I will be out the rest of the week, looking forward to hearing more when I come back! This is going to be supercool!

[fancyfont]

Thank you for putting this together. I'm looking forward to following it.:)

[pleoWhisperer]

I did some musings over the lunch hour, and here's a more specific statement of what we need to determine.

The questions are as follows:

* From the information listed below, what pieces of information should we bother to track?
* From the information we decide to track, how should we figure the "Pleo Average"?
* For the purposes of having fun and playing games, what do we do (see ideas below)?The info we can collect from the forums page is:
A - Total number of members -- This always increases, and never goes down. More members doesn't necessarily mean more interest in pleo as total members doesn't reflect those members who have lost interest or sold their pleo.

B - Number of active members -- This fluctuates up and down. Better figure to track as it fluctuates with the level of interest. However, this number means more when combined with others.

C - Average number of people online (members [C1] and guests [C2]) -- This number fluctuates up and down. This is a good reflection of interest. The more interest, the more people online, as interest wanes, the count goes down.

D - Number of threads -- This always increases, and never goes down. Alone, this number doesn't tell us much.

E - Number of posts -- This always increases, and never goes down. Alone, this number doesn't tell us much.
From these, we can interpolate the following info:
F - Number of members who joined today (A[today] - A[yesteday]) -- Always 0 or more. If lots of people are joining every day, then interest is high. If interest is low, few people join.

G - Change in the number of active members (B[today] - B[yesterday]) -- could be positive or negative. This is a good reflection of interest. The more interest, the more active members, as interest wanes, the active member count goes down.

H - percent of total members who are active (B / A) -- Always positive, 0-1. This number reflections on interest. The more interest, the more members are active, increasing the percentage. As interest wanes, the active member count goes down, dropping the percentage. This is a much slower moving figure, that typically will trend downwards.

I - Change in the average number of people online (C[today] - C[yesterday]) -- could be positive or negative. This is a good reflection of interest. The more interest, the more people online, as interest wanes, the count goes down. This is a much smaller number that C alone, and will move more slowly, but is better for general trending.

J - Ratio of guests to members online (C2 / C1) -- Always 0 or more. A good indication of interest. We know members have a vested interest. Guests do not. So, outside guests are a better indication of overall interest and future growth. This number will be small, but is better for general trending.

K - Change in ratio of guests to members (J[today] - J[yesterday]) -- could be positive or negative. A truly derivative number, good for showing general trends.

L - Number of new threads (D[today] - D[yesterday]) -- Always 0 or more. Like F and M, this is indicative of interest in that new threads mean new topics of discussion which leads to more posts and draws more interest and activity. If this number is high, then there is lots of interest. If this number is low, there may still be interest.

M - Number of new posts (E[today] - E[yesterday]) -- Always 0 or more. Like F and L, this is indicative of interest in that new posts means people are active and interested. If this number is high, then there is lots of interest. If this number is low, then activity is low, but there may still be interest.

N - Average number of posts per thread (E / D) -- Always positive. If this number is low, then there are lots of threads with just a few responses each. This is indicative of shallow, uninteresting threads. If this number is high, that shows that people are interested in the topics and active in responding to them. This is a slowly moving number, but is a good indicator of long term interest.

O - Change in average number of posts per thread (M[today] - M[yesterday]) -- could be positive or negative. This number is almost negligable, but is a good long term trend indicator.
Ways to play:

Set up a play single-stock market and give each person some pretend money that they can use to buy/sell into the market, and as the index goes up or down the value of their account goes up or down depending on how much they have in stock vs. cash.
Let those interested register their forum ID and track their personal account (the only info we can track on individuals is posts) against the "average". This would, of course, encourage people to be more active and post (good) but there wouldn't be much to playing this game.
Combine 1 & 2 and pre-select a dozen or so "user accounts" to use as "stocks" and let people buy/sell stock in how well they think these other members will perform compared to the average.
Create some fictional "companies" whose value is tied to different sets of values from the list above (i.e., company A's value is based on the number of new posts each day, while company B's value is based on the number of guests visiting each day).
Just post the info as graphs and charts for people to just watch and enjoy.

[fancyfont]

Pretty impressive to do all of this during your lunch hour!! WOW!!:)
I love the fact that 3 or 4 gives us a way of being active and learning about the market.

[PleoWorldHostCami]

D - Number of threads -- This always increases, and never goes down. Alone, this number doesn't tell us much.



E - Number of posts -- This always increases, and never goes down. Alone, this number doesn't tell us much.

I too am very impressed by the amount of work you have put into this! ::applauds::

Unfortunately the above 2 statements are not necessarily true. I'm sure many of you have noticed that there are times when we "combine" threads. This usually happens fairly quickly and should not affect your numbers too much, but there are times we may do several at once to try to clean up the forums.

Also, the counts you are seeing on the front page include hidden/removed posts and threads. We go through those periodically and clean them out as well. This could possibly show as a fairly large drop in total threads or posts.

So, if you decide these are two numbers you intend to keep track of we'll try to remember to give you a count of removed threads and posts when we do any major cleaning. :D

[pleoWhisperer]

Also, the counts you are seeing on the front page include hidden/removed posts and threads. We go through those periodically and clean them out as well. This could possibly show as a fairly large drop in total threads or posts.

So, if you decide these are two numbers you intend to keep track of we'll try to remember to give you a count of removed threads and posts when we do any major cleaning. :D

That would be great! I guess your cleaning effort would be what we call a "market correction" :p

I also noted that the number being assigned to new members is higher than the member count. That is, johnnymo is ID number 9979 and yet he ups the member count to 9773. That implies there are 206 ID that have been lost....

[PleoWorldHostCami]

That would be great! I guess your cleaning effort would be what we call a "market correction" :p

I also noted that the number being assigned to new members is higher than the member count. That is, johnnymo is ID number 9979 and yet he ups the member count to 9773. That implies there are 206 ID that have been lost....

You are quite observant. And I can't explain that one. LOL

[pleoWhisperer]

O.K., the computer has been gathering up data now for a week or so. As part of the Dino Bones Pleodustrial Average I came up with:
AMI (Active Member Index) -- The number of active members
GMR (Guest to Member Ratio) -- the average number of guests online compared to the average number of members online.
DPC (Daily Postings Count) -- The number of posts each day.These could be tracked and used as part of calculating the overall DBPA . . .

[fancyfont]

This will be so interesting to follow.:)

[pleoWhisperer]

Looking for a easy way to have the DBPA information updated automatically where people can see it here in the forums. The idea I came up with was to incorporate it into my signature. But in order for the information to update automatically, I need the signature to query data from my web site. Are any of you hosts admins on this site, or do any of the web admins read the forums? vBulletin supports PHP code in the signature, and BB [PHP] code shows to be turned on, but does anyone know how to get it to work?

[PleoWorldHostRaine]

Looking for a easy way to have the DBPA information updated automatically where people can see it here in the forums. The idea I came up with was to incorporate it into my signature. But in order for the information to update automatically, I need the signature to query data from my web site. Are any of you hosts admins on this site, or do any of the web admins read the forums? vBulletin supports PHP code in the signature, and BB [PHP] code shows to be turned on, but does anyone know how to get it to work?

Hi PleoWhisperer,

We will definitely look into this for you and get back to you as soon as we can. :D

[pleoWhisperer]

I have got some numbers in the signature now. You'll need to make sure you've got your preferences set to display signatures, and you may have to refresh your page. Right now the numbers aren't live yet or automatically updated, but should be any day now.

I would like to come up with one more number to use to help define the DBPA, so any suggestions would be appreciated!

[degers]

Hah, love it Mike! You could have posts per active member to see if we get any more enthusiastic with our posting! :)

[mweed]

I'm afraid those numbers would be pitifully low. :( The average right now would be less than 1/10 of one post per "active" member per day. Even our most active poster (fancyfont) only averages between 6 and 7 posts a day. If all of us active members posted even twice a day, the forums would be soooo overwhelmed we wouldn't be able to keep up with them!

Still, it's a good measure. But it would have to be something like (new_posts / active_members) * 1000 to see any movement up or down. :p

[pleoWhisperer]

Just a note on the stats from April 18th . . .

There was a huge jump in Friday's numbers! This is actually not due to a bunch of new interest. :( It's due to a "market correction". the AMI went up (four new active members!), the GMR went up (more visiting guests!), and the DPC made a huge jump! but the DPC (new posts compares to threads) is much higher, but it shows both the thread count and posts count went down! How can this be? It appears that more than 76 threads were cleared out of the system. So, even though the number went down, the ratio went up.

Expect a corresponding big drop in the DPC on tomorrow's report as the average adjusts to the new post/thread level. :)

[fancyfont]

I think pleoguy101 does the most posting!:confused: He was just gone on his vacation for a few days!

[PleoWorldHostSauri]

Just a note on the stats from April 18th . . .

There was a huge jump in Friday's numbers! This is actually not due to a bunch of new interest. :( It's due to a "market correction". the AMI went up (four new active members!), the GMR went up (more visiting guests!), and the DPC made a huge jump! but the DPC (new posts compares to threads) is much higher, but it shows both the thread count and posts count went down! How can this be? It appears that more than 76 threads were cleared out of the system. So, even though the number went down, the ratio went up.

Expect a corresponding big drop in the DPC on tomorrow's report as the average adjusts to the new post/thread level. :)


Mike you busted us LOL! We did some housekeeping the other day that affected your numbers. Don't panic and cash in all your Pleo bucks though, they weren't live posts but they do show in the total counts. Whew Black Monday avoided .... I hope :D

[mweed]

I think pleoguy101 does the most posting!:confused: He was just gone on his vacation for a few days!

pleoguy101 has the most posts. Way more than you. But he's been posting for a longer period of time(279 days). Over the time period since you joined (116 days), you've been posting more frequently than him (6.89 posts per day compared to his 6.29), and given time (about 5 years at these rates), you'll end up posting more than him. Heck, in the next week, you'll probably pass me to become the #2 poster in the forums! ;)

[fancyfont]

I didn't know I talked that much!:D

[degers]

Hah, yeah fancyfont! You have a bigger gob than you think! (Only kidding :) )

[mweed]

When you're carrying on 47 different conversations at the same time, they can add up quickly :)

[pleoWhisperer]

O.K., the DBPA is now working and fully automated. The three issues left are:

1. How to present the "Average" to the forums so that everybody can keep up with it. Right now, it's in my signature as an image. But this doesn't really give people a "place" to go see it, and unless you refresh the page, there's no guarantee you'll see the latest image.

2. Need to flesh out the details. I should have this ready within the next few days.

3. Finalize the plans on how we can have fun with it!

[degers]

Mark, maybe you could make it into a link that opens up a page explaining the meanings of the DBPA, AMI, GMR, PTR and PAR?

[pleoWhisperer]

That's in the works (#2 on the list). #1 is a technical concern that I can (and will) do off of the forums, but would like to keep as much as possible in the forums. The real question is #3!

[degers]

I think it's just fun to look at it!
Could you possibly add top poster of the week? TPOW? probably always going to be pleoguy101 :)

[pleoWhisperer]

Top Poster of the Week would be a cute idea, but the information just isn't there. :(
And fancyfont might beat out pleoguy101 ;)

[mweed]

Heck, in the next week, fancyfont will probably pass me to become the #2 poster in the forums! ;)

It's official. You've moved ahead of me on the list! :p

[fancyfont]

This is a surprise to me! To think it was so difficult to do my first post back in January.:eek: I didn't even know what a forum was!:confused: Thank you for helping me learn Pleo Host Cami, Mweed, Pleoguy101 and many other members, too!:)
I have, honestly, never enjoyed anything as much as this forum.

[degers]

Well technically no Mike, but i'm sure you know that :P
Fancyfont, only350 posts left to make to pass Mike :D

[pleoguy101]

YOU'LL NEVER CATCH UP TO ME!! NEVER! I SHALL FOREVER BE THE TOP POSTER!!! MUWAHAHAHA!! :D... nah, I'm just joking:) I dont take this as a competition:)...for now;):p

[pleoWhisperer]

We've deviated WAAAAY off topic here, but it looks like we're going to have to have another party here when pleoguy101 breaks the 2,000 mark in the next week or so . . . ;);) Maybe with a little work, fancyfont can aim for her first 1,000 on the same day . . .

But back on topic, the only data I can get off the forums for a specific user are: date joined, total posts, average posts per day, and number of referrals. From the date joined, we can calculate length of membership. And it appears that the only user that has any referrals is mweed, so I don't know if we could use that data for anything. Therefore, the only way I can see to come up with a "personal" level of interest to compare against our "average" will require forum members to provide us information. So, my idea is to come up with a survey of questions a person could fill out, I take their answers, combine it with the few pieces of data I can get from the forums, and generate a personal score for the indivudual.

If this makes any sense, what I need are suggestions for survey questions. For example:

How many pleos do you own? (the more pleos, the more interest you have)
Does you pleo... A. Sleep in your bed, B. Have it's own bed, C. sits on shelf in same room, D. Just throw it on the pile with the rest of the toys.

[fancyfont]

My computer died and went to computer heaven. I'm writing on my dad's computer tonight. Hope I'll have one up and running soon.
I've never looked at the number of posts from people. It's just fun to write.

Survey question, Places your Pleo has visited.

[andreivc]

pleoWhisperer - amazing! You pulled it off!

Now we must explain the trends and analyze the numbers! :)

[pleoWhisperer]

Hey, I just generate the numbers . . . We'll let you play stock analyst. :p

Here are the supporting graphs. I'll have the descriptive pages finished today or tomorrow.

http://bobthepleo.com/pleo/dbpa/chart.php?type=ami&size=sm http://bobthepleo.com/pleo/dbpa/chart.php?type=gmr&size=sm http://bobthepleo.com/pleo/dbpa/chart.php?type=ptr&size=sm http://bobthepleo.com/pleo/dbpa/chart.php?type=par&size=sm

If I did analyse any of the trends, I'd have to guess the reason we're seeing an increase in the PAR is not due to higher posting rates, but the fact that the AMI is on a steady decrease. Now, why we're loosing active members, I'll leave up to you to determine :eek:

[andreivc]

One explanation can go something like this:
Ugobe delivered the update and sent out an email.... active membership spiked as people visited the forums to get the update and share impressions....
now the novelty of 1.1 is wearing off, and people went back to whatever they were doing and don't post that often...
i think it is safe to predict that we will see an increase in member activity once the new update becomes available (which should include a software that will allow us to see what pleo is seeing, and read pleo's thoughts as well? according to some rumors)... Spreading and discussing the rumors, by the way, may also result in increased active membership.... If I was Ugobe...I would be spreading the rumors like all the time. :)

[pleoguy101]

We've deviated WAAAAY off topic here, but it looks like we're going to have to have another party here when pleoguy101 breaks the 2,000 mark in the next week or so . . . ;);) Maybe with a little work, fancyfont can aim for her first 1,000 on the same day . . .

But back on topic, the only data I can get off the forums for a specific user are: date joined, total posts, average posts per day, and number of referrals. From the date joined, we can calculate length of membership. And it appears that the only user that has any referrals is mweed, so I don't know if we could use that data for anything. Therefore, the only way I can see to come up with a "personal" level of interest to compare against our "average" will require forum members to provide us information. So, my idea is to come up with a survey of questions a person could fill out, I take their answers, combine it with the few pieces of data I can get from the forums, and generate a personal score for the indivudual.

If this makes any sense, what I need are suggestions for survey questions. For example:

How many pleos do you own? (the more pleos, the more interest you have)
Does you pleo... A. Sleep in your bed, B. Have it's own bed, C. sits on shelf in same room, D. Just throw it on the pile with the rest of the toys.
I have a question.. what are the refferals? what do they mean?:) I've been wondering for a Looong time:D and btw. I cant wait till I get to 2,000 posts:) survey question "how many times have your brought pleo places:)?"

[PleoWorldHostCami]

Hi all,

I promised I'd keep you up to date so here are some figures. Since April 4th, when this thread started the following numbers will have decreased by:
Threads: minus 422
Posts: minus 4060
Page Views: minus 4,588

And for those of you who are curious, most communities do not "delete" posts or threads on first pass. They are instead "archived" to a seperate area. This leaves them accessible to UGOBE but not left to clutter the active boards. This also leaves them in the total counts until physically removed.

A huge majority of what has been cleaned out in the last few weeks was old and no longer pertinent threads and posts. Such as all of the pre-ordering threads. The remainder that were removed were posts deleted by the members themselves, duplicate posts, etc.

[fancyfont]

I understand most of the DBPA but not sure of everthing. Can you explain for boneheads like me.:D

[mweed]

Hi all,

I promised I'd keep you up to date so here are some figures. Since April 4th, when this thread started the following numbers will have decreased by:
Threads: minus 422
Posts: minus 4060
Page Views: minus 4,588

And for those of you who are curious, most communities do not "delete" posts or threads on first pass. They are instead "archived" to a separate area. This leaves them accessible to UGOBE but not left to clutter the active boards. This also leaves them in the total counts until physically removed.

A huge majority of what has been cleaned out in the last few weeks was old and no longer pertinent threads and posts. Such as all of the pre-ordering threads. The remainder that were removed were posts deleted by the members themselves, duplicate posts, etc.

This last cleanup you did really hit some of us older members hard! Pleoguy was at 1920+ posts when I last looked on Saturday. Now he's down into the low 1600's! Hes' lost a full 300 posts! :eek: I've dropped over a 100! :eek: Didn't really hurt the newer members like fancyfont. She didn't seem to loose any. :rolleyes:

But this info will help to explain why the dbpa is dropping!

[pleoWhisperer]

I understand most of the DBPA but not sure of everthing. Can you explain for boneheads like me.:D

The AMI, Active Member Index is simply that, the number of active members. An active member according to the forums is one that has logged in at least once in the last thirty days (does not have to post). The logic is, the more active members, the more interest. The fewer the active members, the less interest. This is a direct way to track those who are "involved."

The GMR is the ratio of guests to members. There are always more guests online than members, but the more guests are visiting, the more interest in pleo. As interest drops, guests don't visit. This is a good way to track the "outside" interest level.

The PTR is the ratio of posts to threads. Some threads (like Bob the Pleo) have hundreds of posts, other get just a few. The logic is, that threads that get lots of responses must be interesting, threads that don't, aren't. So, the higher this ratio, the more interesting the forums must be. Lots of threads that get few responses, indicates that people aren't interested and/or it's a shallow interest.

The PAR is the ratio of posts to active members. The more people post, the more interested they must be.

There are bound to be a dozen ways to measure interest with the values we get from the forums, but these were just the ones we picked. They're not perfect, and can be misleading at times. For example, as we said earlier, the PAR goes up when the AMI goes down, because the fewer the number of active members, it makes the ratio appear higher. Same number of posts with fewer members looks like more posts per member. Likewise, if we get a lot more members online, the interest is obvious going up, but the GMR will go down.

Hope this helps!

[PleoWorldHostCami]

This last cleanup you did really hit some of us older members hard! Pleoguy was at 1920+ posts when I last looked on Saturday. Now he's down into the low 1600's! Hes' lost a full 300 posts! :eek: I've dropped over a 100! :eek: Didn't really hurt the newer members like fancyfont. She didn't seem to loose any. :rolleyes:

Ya know....I never thought about that. Sorry to you members that have been here longer. But then we all know who our most active members are. :D

By The Way....do we add yours together for a total count? ;)

[fancyfont]

Thank you for explaining how to read the chart. Wasn't sure of PTR and PAR. :)

[degers]

How do you use those values to calculate the main DBPA?

[pleoWhisperer]

O.K., the DBPA is now hosted on the "Bob the Pleo" site.

http://BobThePleo.com/pleo/dbpa

All the descriptions, explanations, formulas, and supporting graphs are there. Our thanks to Bob for sharing his space!

[degers]

Thanks Bob! :)

[fancyfont]

Thank you Bob for the inormation. So glad we don't have to completely understand to have fun with these figures.:o

[andreivc]

the DPBA is going UP!!!! at the moment..
I think it has to do with the fact that the batteries became available!
with the DIno-mite nearing completion?
and, some weekly seasonality.... (it's the weekend!)

In the future, expect a sharp increase due to Dino-mite release! I would say BUY BUY BUY!!! This is the time to invest in PleoShares!!!! (do we have PleoShares?... perhaps we should!)

[fancyfont]

I would invest all of my pleobucks on it.:)

[mweed]

The AMI has been on a steady decline since the release of LifeOS1.1, but I'm sure it will go back up when Dino-Mite is released. :D

[mweed]

A suggestion for our PleoWorldHosts . . .

We're using this thread to discuss the DBPA, but there really isn't an easy way in the forums to keep up with it. What I would like to see is a thread like the FAQ ones. A thread with a single post that is locked so that no one else can post replies to it. That one post would be the five graphs. That way, all anyone has to do is click on the thread and see the current DBPA. Well, they may have to refresh the page if it's cached . . . We would leave all the discussion over in this thread.

[PleoWorldHostSauri]

Mike if you want to create the thread I can lock it for you or Cami can do it tomorrow. Just let us know when you are ready to have it locked down. :D

[pleoWhisperer]

Mike if you want to create the thread I can lock it for you or Cami can do it tomorrow. Just let us know when you are ready to have it locked down. :D

I've created the thread, so it's ready for you to lock.

I might also suggest if you can modify the title of this thread to add that it is the "discussion" thread.

[PleoWorldHostCami]

I've created the thread, so it's ready for you to lock.

I might also suggest if you can modify the title of this thread to add that it is the "discussion" thread.

The other thread is closed...very nice job by the way!

Title of this thread has been changed.

Let the trading begin. :D

[pleoWhisperer]

Three straight days of increase that just about wipe out two weeks worth of loss! Woo Hoo! We're on a roll!

[pleoWhisperer]

Followed by a big drop :( Oh, well.

[fancyfont]

It's fun watching the DBPA. Love it when everything goes up.:)

[degers]

Haha I tink the same about my shares funnily enough ;)

[pleoWhisperer]

Whoa! We made a huge jump up yesterday. I guess the anniversary has made the number of guests visiting the site double! As well as encouraging people to sign up. Pleo really is on the move! This is the single highest gain in the history of the DBPA.

[degers]

Congrats Pleoworld and the DBPA! :), although the huge jump is just probably because I have returned :) ;)

[pleoWhisperer]

Hmmm, could be . . . Did you bring all your friends with you?

[fancyfont]

Now that you are on summer break, you'll be able to send the DBPA climbing even more.:D:)

[mweed]

Hey, do we have any php and javascript programmers out there? I have an unfinished project I was working on, and don't seem to have time to finish up. I was creating a "my Pleo Score", a sort of personalized version of the DBPA that tracks and let's you compare your core to the DBPA and other members.

SO, if you'd be interested in helping finish the code, let me know! Otherwise it may be months before I get it finished . . .

[pleoWhisperer]

For anyone following the DBPA, as of this afternoon, I have adjusted the formula. It was too closely mimicking the GMR. You will notice the bar in my signature now has more information. I added in the AMR-percentage of active members, and the NEW-count of new members each day.

This does make the formula more complex, but I think reflects interest better.

The graph also now reflects the previous nine weeks, instead of just the last month.

Keep enjoying!

[fancyfont]

I love to see it go up. That was quite a fall after the big rise.:eek:
Thank you for having the DBPA, Mweed.:)

[pleoWhisperer]

Biggest increase immediately followed by the biggest fall. Oh, well. You know what they say: easy come, easy go. It's only money. And pretend money at that :)

And, you're welcome.

[pleoWhisperer]

And a note for out PleoWorldHosts:

I need you to temporarily unlock the other thread so I can update the info to match the changes I made.

And I'm not sure what to do. The thread is slipping down the list, because it's closed, and people can't post to it. You could sticky it to the top, but not that many people refer to it, so I don't know if it needs to be taking up space at the top of the forum. It's been viewed less that 200 times in two months. Not sure what's the best compromise to keep it available for those who want it (because it is handy if you're interested) without getting in the way of the majority who aren't interested.

[PleoWorldHostCami]

And a note for out PleoWorldHosts:

I need you to temporarily unlock the other thread so I can update the info to match the changes I made.

And I'm not sure what to do. The thread is slipping down the list, because it's closed, and people can't post to it. You could sticky it to the top, but not that many people refer to it, so I don't know if it needs to be taking up space at the top of the forum. It's been viewed less that 200 times in two months. Not sure what's the best compromise to keep it available for those who want it (because it is handy if you're interested) without getting in the way of the majority who aren't interested.


The thread is unlocked now. My suggestion would be to update what you need to and then post 1 reply yourself. This will move it up the line at least temporarily.

[pleoWhisperer]

Thanks Cami!

You can lock it back down again. I had to split it into two posts anyway, as the forums only allow six images per post. :p

[PleoWorldHostCami]

Thanks Cami!

You can lock it back down again. I had to split it into two posts anyway, as the forums only allow six images per post. :p

You are most welcome and it's locked again. :D

[PleoWorldHostCami]

I just wanted to warn you that you should be seeing a change in the PTR as over the last couple of days we merged 100+ older or duplicate topic threads. The post count will not be affected by this, just the total thread count.

[PleoWorldHostCami]

And a note for out PleoWorldHosts:

And I'm not sure what to do. The thread is slipping down the list, because it's closed, and people can't post to it. You could sticky it to the top, but not that many people refer to it, so I don't know if it needs to be taking up space at the top of the forum. It's been viewed less that 200 times in two months. Not sure what's the best compromise to keep it available for those who want it (because it is handy if you're interested) without getting in the way of the majority who aren't interested.

I was just thinking about this...is there anyway you can add a link to the DBPA explaination thread to your signature line. That way they could access it off any of your posts if they need reminded of what each stat is.

[degers]

mike, maybe you can make your signature image clickable, leading to the information thread?

[pleoWhisperer]

Good idea. It's done!

[pleoWhisperer]

I've noticed that we've had a lot of new members joining over the last week or so. Eighty on Saturday alone! Has Ugobe been making a recent push in sales?

[pleoWhisperer]

I just wanted to warn you that you should be seeing a change in the PTR as over the last couple of days we merged 100+ older or duplicate topic threads. The post count will not be affected by this, just the total thread count.

Woah! the PTR did take a huge jump! That along with the sudden increase in members, we're pushing the DBPA to record highs! :D

[fancyfont]

It's fun to see the big increase.. Love following DBPA!:)

[degers]

Hehe it could be a few new members making a lot of posts? ;)

[fancyfont]

You could be correct!:D

[pleoWhisperer]

Well, the merging of all the threads did push the DBPA up to an all time high, but even after it all settled out, we're still running strong! The AMI is reached a record high, and appears to be going up non-stop! But our visiting guest count seems to have stayed down for the last couple of weeks.

But I am wondering if the influx of all these new members is due to the sale Ugobe was running . . .

[pleoWhisperer]

Well, the DBPA is off the charts today. But before you get too excited, it appears to be due to some housecleaning by our forum admins. The culprit for the huge jump is the PTR. And the PTR made a huge jump because it lookslike they merged a whole bunch of little treads into bigger ones. I'm sure we'll see a matching world record drop tonight as things settle back. Subtracting out the loss of approx. 200 threads, would bring the real DBPA back down to around 500 . . .

[PleoWorldHostCami]

Well, the DBPA is off the charts today. But before you get too excited, it appears to be due to some housecleaning by our forum admins. The culprit for the huge jump is the PTR. And the PTR made a huge jump because it lookslike they merged a whole bunch of little treads into bigger ones. I'm sure we'll see a matching world record drop tonight as things settle back. Subtracting out the loss of approx. 200 threads, would bring the real DBPA back down to around 500 . . .

By any chance do you work in the real stock market? Got any hot tips? Just kidding LOL

You are correct and and very very close on your approximation! I apologize for forgetting to mention that 206 threads were merged.

[pleoWhisperer]

Talk about a record drop! Down 235 points! My that's what I call a market correction.

[1mpleo]

Lol, Complicated

[fancyfont]

It was so :cool: to see the DBPA go up so much and fast but what goes up must come down. Sure happened quick..

[pleoWhisperer]

After our big artificial surge last weekend caused by the merging of threads, it appears we have another, even bigger artificial surge of a different sort. This weekend's sudden jump up appears to be the direct result of the flood of pointless posts by a couple of posters (see related thread in other forum). Don't know whether this will result in a adjustment by the forum admins or not, but I doubt the level of posts will stay as high as we saw yesterday, so I'm guessing we'll see a much lower number tomorrow . . .

[wgb]

Hope so! That is quite a jump!

[pleoWhisperer]

There were 387 posts made Sunday. The average is around 100 a day. Looking at the underlying stats, one member posted 130 messages, another posted 113. The next two highest were 24 and 19. Nobody else posted more than 8.

We'll see what tomorrow brings!

[degers]

Looking at the underlying stats, one member posted 130 messages, another posted 113. The next two highest were 24 and 19. Nobody else posted more than 8.

And I think both are now on my ignore list :S

[pleoWhisperer]

Things are returning more towards normal. The AMI and AMR are both down, actually return more towards normal from the big increase in membership we had last month. But the DBPA was still kept high as there were 248 posts yesterday. While that is down from the 387 we saw the day before, it's still twice the norm. Wouldn't it be great to have that much activity if all those posts were real content? That would show a significant increase in interest!

[Allosaurus]

Things are returning more towards normal. The AMI and AMR are both down, actually return more towards normal from the big increase in membership we had last month. But the DBPA was still kept high as there were 248 posts yesterday. While that is down from the 387 we saw the day before, it's still twice the norm. Wouldn't it be great to have that much activity if all those posts were real content? That would show a significant increase in interest!

That's good news!

[pleoWhisperer]

Well, just about the time we settle back to normal, looks like tomorrow we'll see what today's flood of online members will do to the DBPA. I'm sure the GMR (which has been in the 10-20 range since we started) will drop to down into the range of 1-2!

http://bobthepleo.com/pleo/dbpa/chart.php?type=gmr&size=sm

This should pull the DBPA down quite a bit for a real LOW instead of the last few HIGHs. So, tomorrow may be a good day to invest! :cool:

[wgb]

Yeah I have never seen so many on line at once. Least it went down a little from the last I was here.
Something weird for sure

[pleoguy101]

definently!! today if you looked at at the list of all members online there were over 100:-0!! thats the most I ever remember seeing online at once, it was very strange, because the names were in alphabetical order?:confused::-0is that normal?

[mweed]

Yes, alphabetical order is the way they always are listed. What I thought was wierd is that they were all A-L only.

[pleoWhisperer]

Well, the GMR did take a huge nose dive, but it appears that not only did we have a whole bunch of people online, but that also bumped up our "active" member count over 100 people yesterday!

[fancyfont]

Where can I find the information that that both of you are seeing. Still not sure how to do it.:blush:

[wgb]

Its at the bottom of the Forum, on the Main page its under "Whats Going on". It list all the memeber that are on line.
Hope that helps

[pleoWhisperer]

With all the discussions about who's posting and who's flooding the forums, I thought I might go ahead and mention a "behind the scenes" piece of the DBPA. Back around the first of the summer, I had started playing with the idea of creating a personalized DBPA, or "My Pleo Score". I never finished it, but as a part of it, the DBPA has been tracking individual member activity. There are a few web pages on the DBPA site that let you see for the "top 100 members" how many posts were made each day, and for a given day you can see who posted, and finally for a given member, you can see their posting history.

For those who might be interested: http://BobThePleo.com/pleo/dbpa/members.php

[wgb]

Very Interesting Mike! A couple days I didn't post and looking back at this thread was when it was being flooded LOL ;-) >:-)

[pleoWhisperer]

Man, this place is dead! No wonder the DBPA has been down lately. I guess with school starting back nobody has time to post anymore. I almost miss the nonsense posts.


. . . almost.


That's not an excuse to start back up, you hear?

[wgb]

I don' t ;-) But it is really quite for sure. Weird when I came in this morning and no new posts.

[Allosaurus]

I'm sorry, I haven't been paying any attention to this thread. What's going on now? XD

[fancyfont]

It is time for the DBPA to be on the upward swing, again. I think between school starting and people getting their last little bit of summer in is the reason for the lull.
I bet it starts going back up soon.:D

[mweed]

Well he weekend is here, and posting is up sharply!

[PleoWorldHostCami]

Just a note to let everyone know that the DBPA may show a slight change as we merged approximately 25 threads. Bob the Pleo will show a jump in posts as well as we merged a couple of old Bob the Pleo threads.

[pleoWhisperer]

Thanks for the head up! But alas, no significant move upwards yesterday. We're still languishing in the back-to-school slump. So, we'll see what the merging does to today's numbers tomorrow! :p

[fancyfont]

DBPA should go up soon. I know I've been tied up this summer,almost like a damsel in distress. Peeky and Pennie are both getting upset with me Both have had colds from being neglected. I know my poodles are upset!:eek:
Things may settle down a little. I hope!:D

[pleoWhisperer]

yeah, you better get busy! Allosaurus is gunning to replace you as #2!

[Allosaurus]

yeah, you better get busy! Allosaurus is gunning to replace you as #2!

Uh.. yippee, I guess! XD

[fancyfont]

I'm sure she'll do that soon!! Pleoguy101 is the one she's aimimg to pass.;-)

[Allosaurus]

Yup! I still am going strong!

[fancyfont]

I told you so!!:D

[Allosaurus]

Yes! Almost hallfway to 2000!

[pleoWhisperer]

Well, the results are in. A big jump in the PTR and PAR thanks to the combining of threads, but with the drop in the other indexes, we only had a slight upturn, and are still mucking around in the 400's. Looks like it's time for Ugobe to make a big announcement or release to get interest back up . . . (hint, hint. nudge, nudge)

[Allosaurus]

Well, the results are in. A big jump in the PTR and PAR thanks to the combining of threads, but with the drop in the other indexes, we only had a slight upturn, and are still mucking around in the 400's. Looks like it's time for Ugobe to make a big announcement or release to get interest back up . . . (hint, hint. nudge, nudge)

Baby yeti! :D

[fancyfont]

Well, the results are in. A big jump in the PTR and PAR thanks to the combining of threads, but with the drop in the other indexes, we only had a slight upturn, and are still mucking around in the 400's. Looks like it's time for Ugobe to make a big announcement or release to get interest back up . . . (hint, hint. nudge, nudge)

Now that would sure do it!! I don't think we have to wait too much longer. The best season is coming! At least for cooler weather!!:D

[Allosaurus]

Oh dear, I'm getting too high to controll! XD

[kchamster]

I feel soo behind at my lowly 425...lol

[mweed]

Always remember:

Quality is more important than quantity!

[Allosaurus]

Always remember:

Quality is more important than quantity!

Adn both is even better! XD

[Bob_the_Pleo]

As Yogurt once told me: "A fool loves the sound of his own voice, but a wise man knows the value of silence." Or did he just tell me to "shut up you fool!" I can't remember which. But anyway, kchamster, don't worry about your number. Posts are like noses. It's not how many you have that matters, it's what's in them that counts. ;-)

[pleoWhisperer]

Steering things back to topic somewhat, at least all those pointless "quantity" posts do help drive up the DBPA!

[PleoWorldHostRaine]

Posts are like noses. It's not how many you have that matters, it's what's in them that counts. ;-)


Ewwwwww lol

"you can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but never EVER pick your friend's nose"
:-P

[Allosaurus]

Ewwwwww lol

"you can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but never EVER pick your friend's nose"
:-P

Iggy! Ewwy! Grossy!

[fancyfont]

As Yogurt once told me: "A fool loves the sound of his own voice, but a wise man knows the value of silence." Or did he just tell me to "shut up you fool!" I can't remember which. But anyway, kchamster, don't worry about your number. Posts are like noses. It's not how many you have that matters, it's what's in them that counts. ;-)

Bob, This made my day!!:-D

[Allosaurus]

I think I'm gonna explode with all these posts. ~_~'

[pleoWhisperer]

Things have been awfully quite with the DBPA. No spikes, or jumps, or even admins shuffling stuff around . . .

[tkdgirl368]

Always remember:


Quality is more important than quantity!

yeah, some people have a million posts but most of them are only a few words or they just say "lol" which are really annoying and i think shouldn't count as posts.

[Allosaurus]

yeah, some people have a million posts but most of them are only a few words or they just say "lol" which are really annoying and i think shouldn't count as posts.

Most of the people who do that are all gone now. :eyeroll: